IMD Forum for 1/27/10: Neil Leach_Backchannel

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27/01/2010 18:04:57 ‹Alyx› sad face

27/01/2010 18:06:56 ‹KylaG› Yes, here we are!

27/01/2010 18:07:15 ‹LadyOrTiger› so many comments

27/01/2010 18:07:36 ‹Teddy› [Relevant Comment]

27/01/2010 18:08:38 ‹Alyx› We are dual core!

27/01/2010 18:08:55 ‹KylaG› Is that like hard core, only double?

27/01/2010 18:09:02 ‹Alyx› absolutely

27/01/2010 18:09:04 ‹LadyOrTiger› so many cores

27/01/2010 18:09:28 ‹LordoftheFlies› http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_of_the_flies

27/01/2010 18:14:19 ‹notbatman› http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Leach

27/01/2010 18:15:38 ‹notbatman› http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Frampton

27/01/2010 18:24:48 ‹notbatman› http://www.core.form-ula.com/2009/02/25/immaterial-process-from-neil-leach/

27/01/2010 18:24:51 ‹JoeOsborn› The idea of authoring processes instead of directly authoring content was something I heard at GDC Austin ’08 as well from either Stern or Mateas… that was with respect to writing, but I think it’s a good trend.

27/01/2010 18:25:31 ‹KylaG› That is an awesome picture of a hermit crab.

27/01/2010 18:25:45 ‹notbatman› that is [im]material in beijing

27/01/2010 18:26:21 ‹Alyx› wow, turns out hermit crabs are pretty ugly

27/01/2010 18:26:43 ‹QuerlDox› That’s why they’re hermits.

27/01/2010 18:26:47 ‹LadyOrTiger› those things really bug me, they have their mouth on the bottom

27/01/2010 18:26:55 ‹notbatman› it’s kind of like a metroid

27/01/2010 18:26:56 ‹LadyOrTiger› no thats horseshoe crabs

27/01/2010 18:27:09 ‹Alyx› yeah they’re even more creepy

27/01/2010 18:27:16 ‹notbatman› let’s try reloading there are other pictures

27/01/2010 18:27:17 ‹notbatman› http://www.core.form-ula.com/2009/02/25/immaterial-process-from-neil-leach/

27/01/2010 18:27:22 ‹Alyx› and yet they put them in every children’s aquarium, where you can touch them

27/01/2010 18:27:24 ‹Alyx› no thanks

27/01/2010 18:27:27 ‹notbatman› still a crap :/

27/01/2010 18:27:30 ‹notbatman› crab

27/01/2010 18:27:34 ‹LadyOrTiger› shouldn’t the goal of good architecture be to make awesome looking buildings?

27/01/2010 18:27:42 ‹LadyOrTiger› why would you go around quoting german philosophers to figure that out?

27/01/2010 18:28:12 ‹Alyx› Not in the sixties. They make awful looking bunker-like buildings that were super practical

27/01/2010 18:28:23 ‹Alyx› art deco = ew/

27/01/2010 18:28:25 ‹notbatman› http://www.arup.com/

27/01/2010 18:29:22 ‹LadyOrTiger› rem koolhaas

27/01/2010 18:29:26 ‹notbatman› http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Central_Television_Headquarters_building

27/01/2010 18:30:09 ‹JoeOsborn› This is kind of a canonical example, but I like this genetic-algorithm-designed antenna a lot: http://ti.arc.nasa.gov/projects/esg/research/antenna.htm

27/01/2010 18:30:24 ‹QuerlDox› are these borders being pushed (now) in the ’00s and going forward because so much of the ’90s were based in pure theory?

27/01/2010 18:31:10 ‹QuerlDox› do we only now have the computational power to fully realize the designs of the 90s? I’m missing a connection.

27/01/2010 18:31:42 ‹LadyOrTiger› I think he was saying that in the 90s peole designed buildings that weren’t buildable with actual tangible materials

27/01/2010 18:31:52 ‹QuerlDox› ah ha

27/01/2010 18:36:57 ‹KylaG› http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IksIyui84wE

27/01/2010 18:36:57 ‹ndef› http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IksIyui84wE

27/01/2010 18:36:58 ‹notbatman› http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IksIyui84wE

27/01/2010 18:37:09 ‹ndef› Damn, it, Kyla.

27/01/2010 18:37:14 ‹ndef› Beat me too it.

27/01/2010 18:37:16 ‹Alyx› such a British sentence. I love it.

27/01/2010 18:37:16 ‹QuerlDox› http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IksIyui84wE

27/01/2010 18:37:17 ‹notbatman› http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IksIyui84wE

27/01/2010 18:38:16 ‹KylaG› First!

27/01/2010 18:38:35 ‹notbatman›

27/01/2010 18:38:50 ‹QuerlDox› props to Kyla!

27/01/2010 18:39:17 ‹Teddy› I think the prize is going to caller #12

27/01/2010 18:39:39 ‹LadyOrTiger› oh corbusier

27/01/2010 18:42:00 ‹KylaG› Some of these make me think of Lord of the Rings.

27/01/2010 18:42:09 ‹KylaG› Like Lothlorien, or the White City.

27/01/2010 18:42:26 ‹LadyOrTiger› dubai is pretty much the same thing as lord of the rings

27/01/2010 18:43:05 ‹KylaG› Also, what happens if you plan a city like this, and then someone needs to build a specific building that doesn’t fit the aesthetic or form of the city? (Like an auditorium of a certain size and shape, or something.)

27/01/2010 18:43:17 ‹LadyOrTiger› its curtains for them

27/01/2010 18:44:03 ‹LadyOrTiger› like an architect?

27/01/2010 18:44:16 ‹JoeOsborn› There’s a lot of research here in roguelikes and dungeon/town/world generation

27/01/2010 18:44:20 ‹QuerlDox› Chicago is one city that has a very extensive process for clearances for most large buildings

27/01/2010 18:44:40 ‹LadyOrTiger› considering how great procedural content is in games i’ll stick with authored buildings

27/01/2010 18:44:47 ‹notbatman› http://webhome.idirect.com/~powerpix/BRAZIL PAGES/FAVELLA.html

27/01/2010 18:45:02 ‹JoeOsborn› You’d feel differently if you played more Dwarf Fortress

27/01/2010 18:45:09 ‹QuerlDox› so the building permits probably wouldn’t be issued.

27/01/2010 18:45:16 ‹KylaG› More like a fungus than a virus.

27/01/2010 18:45:18 ‹LadyOrTiger› i would if I could understand the UI

27/01/2010 18:45:28 ‹QuerlDox›

27/01/2010 18:45:37 ‹LadyOrTiger› will generative cities come with a support wiki like DF?

27/01/2010 18:46:08 ‹LadyOrTiger› wait he made a slum generator?

27/01/2010 18:47:20 ‹KylaG› Seems like it, yeah.

27/01/2010 18:50:30 ‹notbatman› http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergence

27/01/2010 18:50:54 ‹KylaG› Oh man, I love those termite mounds.

27/01/2010 18:50:59 ‹KylaG› Those things are so cool and bizarre.

27/01/2010 18:51:05 ‹notbatman› emergent mounds

27/01/2010 18:52:01 ‹notbatman› http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swarm_intelligence

27/01/2010 18:52:26 ‹KylaG› http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XH-groCeKbE

27/01/2010 18:52:55 ‹LadyOrTiger› if you agree that planning cities is a bad idea, shouldn’t the outcome to be to not plan cities?

27/01/2010 18:53:11 ‹notbatman› http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swarm_intelligence

27/01/2010 18:53:58 ‹Alyx› But if there were no cities, how would people get stuck in traffic?

27/01/2010 18:54:18 ‹LadyOrTiger› no we should build cities

27/01/2010 18:54:19 ‹KylaG› http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V71hz9wNsgs&feature=related

27/01/2010 18:54:22 ‹Alyx› gotta think these things through

27/01/2010 18:54:24 ‹LadyOrTiger› we just shouldn’t have a master plan

27/01/2010 18:54:29 ‹LadyOrTiger› having not a plan is charming

27/01/2010 18:54:44 ‹notbatman› that is the joker’s philosophy

27/01/2010 18:54:46 ‹notbatman› from batman

27/01/2010 18:54:57 ‹LadyOrTiger› also jane jacobs

27/01/2010 18:55:30 ‹notbatman› http://processing.org/

27/01/2010 18:55:35 ‹JoeOsborn› i have to say, this is surely not the way to win at SimCity

27/01/2010 18:55:55 ‹LadyOrTiger› planned cities look beautiful from a bird’s eye view

27/01/2010 18:55:59 ‹notbatman› http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/images/processing-ide-screenshot.png

27/01/2010 18:56:03 ‹LadyOrTiger› you don’t have to walk the streets of sim city

27/01/2010 18:56:14 ‹notbatman› you could fly through them in a helicopter if you had sim copter

27/01/2010 18:56:26 ‹LadyOrTiger› that is true

27/01/2010 18:56:37 ‹JoeOsborn› http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streets_of_SimCity

27/01/2010 18:56:43 ‹JoeOsborn› I believe you can walk through the streets of simcity if you want to.

27/01/2010 18:56:49 ‹notbatman› you have the power

27/01/2010 18:57:44 ‹notbatman› http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/06/09/rotating-wind-powered-tower-to-begin-construction-in-dubai/

27/01/2010 18:57:45 ‹LadyOrTiger› ok i think its obvious that I just got served

27/01/2010 18:58:23 ‹notbatman› http://www.elizabethmcmillan.co.uk/img/termite-mound.jpg

27/01/2010 18:58:51 ‹KylaG› http://www.truk.com/art/sydney/20020716_topEnd/275/lf_termiteCathedralMoundKat.jpg

27/01/2010 18:59:12 ‹LadyOrTiger› wait they figured out how to mind control termites?

27/01/2010 18:59:38 ‹notbatman› and to rob banks

27/01/2010 19:01:01 ‹KylaG› mind controlling termites is probably not hard.

27/01/2010 19:01:08 ‹KylaG› They’re already fairly mind-controlled.

27/01/2010 19:01:13 ‹LadyOrTiger› can you use arduino?

27/01/2010 19:01:27 ‹KylaG› Only if you have long enough wires.

27/01/2010 19:05:06 ‹notbatman› http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taipei_101

27/01/2010 19:09:15 ‹KylaG› I don’t know if I trust building a city from scratch – I mean, cities grow up in certain places for a reason.

27/01/2010 19:10:09 ‹QuerlDox› well, they historically have (natural resources, etc.), but why do we need to continue that paradigm?

27/01/2010 19:11:45 ‹QuerlDox› I find it odd that bilogical process have been used as a theoretical basis, but the resulting cities have their “green spaces” end up as the “leftover” areas. Shouldn’t the greener areas be more integral?

27/01/2010 19:11:55 ‹QuerlDox› that’s “biological”

27/01/2010 19:12:10 ‹QuerlDox› and “processes”. Oh, fudge.

27/01/2010 19:12:46 ‹JoeOsborn› We have a lot of ancillary and vestigial parts, right?

27/01/2010 19:13:07 ‹JoeOsborn› So, it’s important to clean up after evolution, or choose the selection criteria carefully

27/01/2010 19:13:08 ‹QuerlDox› But were we truly “intelligently designed”?

27/01/2010 19:13:51 ‹JoeOsborn› http://www.encyclopedia.chicagohistory.org/pages/10537.html

27/01/2010 19:15:08 ‹KylaG› I guess I just find the idea funny that you could build up a city from scratch and that people would then just decide to move there.

27/01/2010 19:15:33 ‹KylaG› I tend to think of cities as expansions that happen because people want to be at a place and there’s not enough room.

27/01/2010 19:15:33 ‹LadyOrTiger› its the field of dreams thoery of urban design

27/01/2010 19:16:25 ‹LadyOrTiger› dubai is pretty much a city like that

27/01/2010 19:16:34 ‹LadyOrTiger› and its one of the most screwed up places i can think of

27/01/2010 19:17:04 ‹notbatman› but it’s not finished and they’ve got problems

27/01/2010 19:17:23 ‹QuerlDox› Las Vegas was “created” in similar way, I believe. Build a city and they will come. To Gamble.

27/01/2010 19:17:45 ‹LadyOrTiger› right but howard hughes was involved in that

27/01/2010 19:17:49 ‹notbatman› to house gangsters who got run off from the existing cities

27/01/2010 19:17:52 ‹LadyOrTiger› which means normal rules don’t really apply

27/01/2010 19:18:16 ‹QuerlDox› Well, an Vegas is a pit.

27/01/2010 19:18:19 ‹QuerlDox› and

27/01/2010 19:18:22 ‹notbatman› http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Derrida

27/01/2010 19:22:17 ‹KylaG› Burrs, I believe, are the source of velcro.

27/01/2010 19:22:32 ‹notbatman› http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomimicry

27/01/2010 19:22:54 ‹KylaG› http://www.cottoncrc.org.au/files/1a653870-da69-40b8-9221-9946010347aa/BurrComples.jpg

27/01/2010 19:23:06 ‹KylaG› Little hooks.

27/01/2010 19:26:16 ‹notbatman› http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy3huSyOPXU&feature=video_response

27/01/2010 19:30:46 ‹QuerlDox› SPOILER ALERT PLEASE!

27/01/2010 19:31:10 ‹notbatman› http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Eisenman

27/01/2010 19:31:12 ‹KylaG› That’s not the biggest spoiler you could get for that movie.

27/01/2010 19:31:15 ‹KylaG› …I think.

27/01/2010 19:31:21 ‹KylaG› If I remember correctly, anyway.

27/01/2010 19:31:29 ‹QuerlDox› grocery bags are beautiful

27/01/2010 19:32:10 ‹KylaG› Not all of them.

27/01/2010 19:32:13 ‹KylaG› Just dancing ones.

27/01/2010 19:36:17 ‹notbatman› http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/03/07/beijings-olympic-stadium-by-herzog-and-demeuron/

27/01/2010 19:36:37 ‹notbatman› http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/olympics/2518877/Beijing-Olympics-The-Birds-Nest-stadium.html

27/01/2010 19:40:28 ‹LordoftheFlies› http://jrscience.wcp.muohio.edu/photos/SierpeMangrovesJames00.jpg

27/01/2010 19:41:08 ‹notbatman› http://www.paul-andreu.com/

27/01/2010 19:41:21 ‹notbatman› http://jrscience.wcp.muohio.edu/photos/SierpeMangrovesJames00.jpg

27/01/2010 19:41:44 ‹QuerlDox› http://www.travelpod.com/travel-photo/samalex/1/1216464000/alex1_501.jpg/tpod.html

27/01/2010 19:44:22 ‹notbatman› http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxmfFkLZku8

27/01/2010 19:44:32 ‹notbatman› skip to 30 seconds or so?

27/01/2010 19:48:22 ‹KylaG› There’s no word of “avante-garde” in English.

27/01/2010 19:48:28 ‹KylaG› That’s why it’s French.

27/01/2010 19:54:29 ‹LadyOrTiger› whats really surprising is there’s no “avante-garde” in french either

27/01/2010 19:55:17 ‹KylaG› Did I spell it wrong?

27/01/2010 19:55:39 ‹KylaG› I did. Sorry.

27/01/2010 19:55:44 ‹KylaG› Avant-garde.

27/01/2010 19:56:01 ‹LadyOrTiger› french doesn’t have offical spellings of words actually.

27/01/2010 19:56:22 ‹KylaG› Really?

27/01/2010 19:57:13 ‹LadyOrTiger› yeah every 5 years they have a “word off” where they have rap battles to determine who gets to set the spelling of words

27/01/2010 20:03:30 ‹notbatman› http://www.echostudiochicago.com/learn/vertical-farm

27/01/2010 20:07:38 ‹KylaG› Damn. Wish we had that.