Seminar10/1› Seminar 10/1 
01/10/2008 17:55:41 ‹Seminar10/1› Welcome 
01/10/2008 17:58:05 ‹Dread› Tongith's speaker:  John Soskoa (and Pleo) from UGOBE. 
01/10/2008 17:58:20 ‹Dread› Err, John Sosoka... 
01/10/2008 17:59:28 ‹Dread› http://www.ugobe.com/ 
01/10/2008 18:01:07 ‹Dread› Title: "Lifeforms: exploring a new medium" 
01/10/2008 18:10:23 ‹Cynthia› Announcement #1: congrats to PB Winterbottom for signing with... someone profitable! 
01/10/2008 18:10:33 ‹snark› http://sfbay.redfin.com/blog/files/2007/12/thumbs-up.jpg 
01/10/2008 18:10:48 ‹Bill› Congratulations! 
01/10/2008 18:11:01 ‹s› Super congrats!! that's great news! 
01/10/2008 18:11:14 ‹Brandi› Uber-Congrats! 
01/10/2008 18:11:52 ‹Cynthia› Announcement #2: welcome Sylvie Brinson.  :x 
01/10/2008 18:13:21 ‹s› awwww!!!! 
01/10/2008 18:15:17 ‹Dread› Kampie winterbottom team! 
01/10/2008 18:15:19 ‹Brandi› What is the book? 
01/10/2008 18:15:27 ‹Logan› design of everyday things 
01/10/2008 18:15:29 ‹Cynthia› Design of Everyday Things. 
01/10/2008 18:15:37 ‹Dread› Desing for Everyday Things - Don Norman. 
01/10/2008 18:15:46 ‹snark› http://www.amazon.com/Design-Everyday-Things-Donald-Norman/dp/0465067107/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1222910131&sr=8-1 
01/10/2008 18:15:47 ‹Dread› er, of 
01/10/2008 18:15:57 ‹Brandi› Yay, no need to spend $$! :^) 
01/10/2008 18:17:38 ‹snark› http://music.calarts.edu/~sroberts/articles/DeVaucanson.duck.html 
01/10/2008 18:18:55 ‹Diana› Okay, I won't lie, I want one. 
01/10/2008 18:19:27 ‹Dread› http://interactive.usc.edu/members/sfisher/Caleb%20Chung%20article%20-%20Maker%20magazine.pdf 
01/10/2008 18:24:15 ‹Michael› that thing is so fricken cute 
01/10/2008 18:24:30 ‹Dread› kawaii 
01/10/2008 18:30:19 ‹Cynthia› Developing lifeforms vs video game characters who will forevermore be "trapped" behind the computer screen 
01/10/2008 18:31:28 ‹Dread› Toys of Tomorrow: 
01/10/2008 18:31:30 ‹Dread› http://www.theatlantic.com/unbound/digicult/dc990107.htm 
01/10/2008 18:31:31 ‹nahil› anyone else get nervous that pleo might fall off the table?  it's like watching a baby playing on the stairs... weird 
01/10/2008 18:31:39 ‹Diana› Pleo actually won't 
01/10/2008 18:31:45 ‹Diana› They know to recognize table ledges and avoid them 
01/10/2008 18:32:06 ‹Logan› i.e. they're smarter than babies 
01/10/2008 18:32:07 ‹Michael› yeah, I was kind of wondering about that edge too 
01/10/2008 18:32:33 ‹Diana› From what I've read, they can recognize small, "pushable" objects like computer mice 
01/10/2008 18:32:37 ‹Diab› a real dino would fall and learn from its slip 
01/10/2008 18:32:38 ‹Diana› And will nudge them around and play 
01/10/2008 18:32:38 ‹ndef› I wonder how extensive/generalized/reliable their visual recognition is. 
01/10/2008 18:33:11 ‹Dread› "True Creativity is not the clever rearraging of the known"  Viola Spolin 
01/10/2008 18:33:17 ‹snark› http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viola_Spolin 
01/10/2008 18:34:15 ‹Ed.lorenceau› I say put a mouse in front of the second pleo 
01/10/2008 18:34:31 ‹Dread› animals as "companion technology" 
01/10/2008 18:34:43 ‹Michael› second pleo looks bored 
01/10/2008 18:35:02 ‹Cynthia› The second Pleo might be off... 
01/10/2008 18:35:04 ‹Cynthia› :[]: 
01/10/2008 18:35:11 ‹Cynthia› (a;sdfj graphical smilies) 
01/10/2008 18:35:18 ‹Ed.lorenceau› Do they fall asleep when they run out of batteries? or close their eyes more and more as they lose batteries? 
01/10/2008 18:35:25 ‹Diana› Yep 
01/10/2008 18:35:27 ‹Diana› They get "tired" 
01/10/2008 18:35:34 ‹Ed.lorenceau› that's awesome 
01/10/2008 18:35:53 ‹Diana› I'm curious to see what happens when you hook one up to USB to download new stuff 
01/10/2008 18:35:58 ‹snark› http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1czBcnX1Ww 
01/10/2008 18:36:15 ‹snark› http://www.shef.ac.uk/marcoms/eview/articles58/robot.html 
01/10/2008 18:36:23 ‹Diab› There are a lot of pleo hacks out there actually 
01/10/2008 18:36:37 ‹Diana› Yeah, and they haven't even released the SDK yet, although that is coming 
01/10/2008 18:36:43 ‹Ed.lorenceau› to make her very angry for example? 
01/10/2008 18:36:43 ‹s› bigdog is absolutely amazing 
01/10/2008 18:36:43 ‹Brandi› Hmmm... Skynet Pleos... 
01/10/2008 18:36:45 ‹Ed.lorenceau› make her talk? 
01/10/2008 18:36:55 ‹Diana› You can make them unhappy 
01/10/2008 18:37:02 ‹Diana› Grab it by the tail and pick it up :) 
01/10/2008 18:37:06 ‹s› i've never seen something so clearly mechanical look organic just by how it moves and rebalances itself 
01/10/2008 18:37:33 ‹Michael› yeah, its kind of resisting my attempts to figure out the algorithms behind it 
01/10/2008 18:37:42 ‹Diab› some were able to engage its sight apparatus 
01/10/2008 18:37:47 ‹Diab› http://www.grip-online.com/en/pleo_hack 
01/10/2008 18:39:18 ‹Diana› You can give them new sounds, too, via the SD card 
01/10/2008 18:39:25 ‹Diana› Make it talk, sound like a dog, whatever 
01/10/2008 18:39:45 ‹ironman28› can you make it say "let's go shopping"? 
01/10/2008 18:39:53 ‹Diana› hehehe  Yep 
01/10/2008 18:39:53 ‹s› hahahahahah 
01/10/2008 18:41:25 ‹Ed.lorenceau› turn it into an alarm clock that goes on your bed and steps on your face when you're not getting up. is there a hack for this? 
01/10/2008 18:41:36 ‹Diana› There's one where it will act like a guard dog 
01/10/2008 18:42:35 ‹Ed.lorenceau› raiders of the dinosaur graveyard 
01/10/2008 18:44:44 ‹Diab› I wonder how getting the Pleo in an egg rather than a box would do to an already louded attachment 
01/10/2008 18:47:27 ‹ironman28› love comes in at the eye 
01/10/2008 18:48:35 ‹Diana› that is just disturbing 
01/10/2008 18:49:06 ‹Diana› (him cracking its spine, I mean) 
01/10/2008 18:49:12 ‹Diab› is there a chiropractor in the house? 
01/10/2008 18:52:11 ‹Dread› http://robotic.media.mit.edu/projects/robots/leonardo/overview/overview.html 
01/10/2008 18:55:25 ‹v› http://web.media.mit.edu/~cynthiab/research/research.html 
01/10/2008 18:55:54 ‹Dread› Kimiko Ryokai 
01/10/2008 18:55:59 ‹Dread› http://www.ischool.berkeley.edu/people/faculty/kimikoryokai 
01/10/2008 18:55:54 ‹Dread› Kimiko Ryokai 
01/10/2008 18:57:00 ‹Cynthia› "PDK" = Pleo Development Kit?  :x 
01/10/2008 18:57:12 ‹s› yes actually : ] 
01/10/2008 18:58:27 ‹s› (so says wikipedia) 
01/10/2008 19:00:12 ‹pweil› alien abduction 
01/10/2008 19:00:22 ‹snark› http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vrZzU1F__Y 
01/10/2008 19:02:06 ‹v› http://www.bergoiata.org/fe/PowerPost/fm475_king_kong_vs_godzilla.jpg 
01/10/2008 19:03:25 ‹v› http://dvice.com/archives/2008/09/new_pleo_person.php 
01/10/2008 19:05:08 ‹Ed.lorenceau› could also be product development kit 
01/10/2008 19:06:04 ‹Logan› it looks like its trying so hard 
01/10/2008 19:08:15 ‹ironman28› no remote control 
01/10/2008 19:12:26 ‹Ed.lorenceau› &fmt=18 
01/10/2008 19:12:34 ‹Ed.lorenceau› sry 
01/10/2008 19:14:30 ‹snark› http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karakuri_ningy%C5%8D 
01/10/2008 19:17:19 ‹pweil› walking before crawling 
01/10/2008 19:18:38 ‹v› http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/ne/p/2007/Empty-Pleo-skin_550x367.jpg 
01/10/2008 19:19:24 ‹Diab› from lab to mass production is a huge challenge 
01/10/2008 19:19:43 ‹Bill› Baggy Yodas 
01/10/2008 19:20:36 ‹v› needed skin that fit like a space suit 
01/10/2008 19:21:43 ‹Logan› who owns the ip rights for furby? 
01/10/2008 19:23:06 ‹Diana› Whoever wrote the Gremlins movie :-P 
01/10/2008 19:23:31 ‹v› http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Furby.JPG 
01/10/2008 19:24:45 ‹pweil› but why call it LIFE, it's in the tradition of a doll - a dinosaur doll.  Tiny Tears http://www.dollinfo.com/featuredollwin01.htm 
01/10/2008 19:25:35 ‹v› http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41d8aN3JcDL._SL500_AA280_.jpg 
01/10/2008 19:25:45 ‹pweil› the one characteristic that made her famous; she cried real tears! 
01/10/2008 19:25:52 ‹v› http://www.pleoworld.com/ 
01/10/2008 19:25:54 ‹v› just kidding 
01/10/2008 19:29:14 ‹v› http://www.phobe.com/furby/ 
01/10/2008 19:30:06 ‹pweil› http://www.cnn.com/US/9901/13/nsa.furby.ban.01/ 
01/10/2008 19:37:10 ‹Michael› the "model T 
01/10/2008 19:37:15 ‹Michael› " philosophy 
01/10/2008 19:37:20 ‹pweil› clothes for Pleo 
01/10/2008 19:37:22 ‹pweil› accessories! 
01/10/2008 19:38:27 ‹pweil› Policeman Pleo! 
01/10/2008 19:40:35 ‹pweil› charms 
01/10/2008 19:40:50 ‹Diana› I've seen people online doing baby clothes. 
01/10/2008 19:41:00 ‹Logan› prove it 
01/10/2008 19:41:00 ‹Diana› They get tshirts and things sized for infants and use them on Pleo 
01/10/2008 19:41:52 ‹Diana› http://www.pleoworld.com/uploads/plog/thumbnail/5a4ee44b2cf480697134c62868b09e5f.jpg 
01/10/2008 19:42:06 ‹Logan› awesome 
01/10/2008 19:42:21 ‹Brandi› they do that to real dogs, I'm not suprised that an electronic dinosaur was not spared 
01/10/2008 19:50:45 ‹v› http://dvice.com/archives/2007/12/pleo_post.php 
01/10/2008 19:51:05 ‹Ed.lorenceau› http://www.spore.com/sporepedia#qry=srch-pleo%3Asast-500002111572%3Apg-20 
01/10/2008 19:52:16 ‹Diab› pleo abuse 
01/10/2008 19:52:18 ‹Diab› http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/09/ugobe-shocked-and-appalled-by-destruction-of-pleo-at-maker-fai/2 
01/10/2008 20:03:26 ‹Diab› http://www.designcouncil.org.uk/en/About-Design/Design-Methods/Role-playing/ 
01/10/2008 20:05:11 ‹nahil› crazy cat lady => crazy robot dinosaur lady 
01/10/2008 20:06:00 ‹pweil› is that demographic US or international? 
01/10/2008 20:06:13 ‹Diana› Man...I want to be a crazy robot dinosaur lady when I get old 
01/10/2008 20:06:17 ‹Diana› ...or tomorrow 
01/10/2008 20:13:51 ‹Cynthia› Daemons for everyone! 
01/10/2008 20:15:22 ‹Diab› http://forums.pleoworld.com/showthread.php?t=609 
01/10/2008 20:15:42 ‹Logan› essence 
01/10/2008 20:16:48 ‹pweil› ahem, mrmind is like....? 
01/10/2008 20:17:35 ‹pweil› if a machine had a soul, how would we know? 
01/10/2008 20:18:28 ‹Bill› It would weigh slightly more. 
01/10/2008 20:18:49 ‹ndef› "Do they have a soul?" "Yes, they have ours." Blew my mind. 
01/10/2008 20:22:42 ‹Dread› END