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dread33sf: get outta my space
okamilink: okay, sorry
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justinallynhall: this is the board game a few of us were just playing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rico_(game)
okamilink: that's a great game, i own it
imdbot: who won?
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justinallynhall: yeah!  I own it too but it takes a long-ass time to setup and learn
justinallynhall: so we all won
justinallynhall: because we learned how to play Puerto Rico faster next time
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okamilink: that's how it always works
okamilink: you just have to make sure people actually play it next time
justinallynhall: right
justinallynhall: some veterans
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OlduserNewhandle: sweeeet
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BableBlast: didn't want to appear in backchannel venue
pseudostereo: ok everyone it's a free-for-all!
okamilink: backchannel really has a reputation
Hardcoremoogles: indeed
dread33sf: http://www.thevirtualwindow.net/
justinallynhall: asking everyone to log into her web site to see how we use it
justinallynhall: live backchannel published large
justinallynhall: IMAP - interdivisional PhD in Media Arts and Practice
okamilink: scholar-practitioners
marientina: if people have Epson connect software, Anne would like for you to steal a screen after she demos her app
justinallynhall: is there a link to a page telling us where to get the software and how to use it here in the ZML?
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okamilink: Buy the Virtual Window on Amazon - $23.07
pseudostereo: here's the url for the projector software:
pseudostereo: http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/support/supDetail.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie=yes&oid=41622&prodoid=47274416&infoType=Downloads&platform=All
pseudostereo: it
marientina: http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/support/supDetail.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie=yes&oid=41622&infoType=Overview
pseudostereo: it's the EMP NS Connection software
pseudostereo: 2.0
marientina: for ma
marientina: mac
marientina: for pc it is the same now
justinallynhall: should we ask her to pass the book around?
marientina: if you have older versions, please uninstall
marientina: we the royal we?
justinallynhall: we, the snarky backchannel
ironman28@mac.com: books read with archaic stillness
ironman28@mac.com: situate the present in the cultural histories that produced them
ironman28@mac.com: mix dense historical exegesis with theoretical polemic
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BableBlast: (do they have sound in Keio?)
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ujmiii: yes
ujmiii: at least they can hear us
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justinallynhall: somebody in japan is taking a picture of a camera
justinallynhall: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ekphrasis
ujmiii: i think jorge is playing with them
ujmiii: he was fiddling with his camera phone
qingnakeh: it  is a beginning
bigmikestein: I thought the trademark was specifically "Microsoft Windows TM", not "Windows TM"
darthjulian: good question..wasn't there a controversy back in the day?
justinallynhall: outing the hidden rhetoric of metaphor
justinallynhall: to find their sly discursive tricks
Hardcoremoogles: metaphors constuct our cultural realities
ujmiii: metaphors are lies
BableBlast: isn't that the same as being aware of subtexts?  
BableBlast: metaphors are lies???
ujmiii: i am not a dog, only like a dog
marientina: white lies
darthjulian: n'ah..metaphors swerve meaning thusly and yon
darthjulian: lies just swerve meaning yon
pseudostereo: Microsoft sued Lindows.com because they said it infringed their trademark, ie they maintain that they've trademarked the word Windows
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marientina: i want to trademark the work bull&*(
marientina: as a gift to my dad
marientina: can I do that?
marientina: i mean if microsoft can TM windows, why not?
darthjulian: cause your lawyers have less muscle?
ujmiii: depends upon how much bull&*( you sell
marientina: actually my lawyer has a lot of muscle
marientina: from years of hiking
marientina: i am fascinated by this obsession of the window
marientina: it is beyong obsession
marientina: it is a fetish
marientina: i wonder if the book talks about this
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ironman28@mac.com: perspective not just a mathematical function but a metaphor privileging the architectural frame -- not about transparency
qingnakeh: windows intersections
justinallynhall: outing the hidden rhetoric of metaphor, to find their sly discursive tricks
justinallynhall: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leone_Battista_Alberti
marientina: the word sly has been mentioned twice already
marientina: i don't think KEIO was prepared for theory today
darthjulian: i like to think of metaphors as wily
marientina: they are dropping like flies
BableBlast: sly certainly does imply some nasty intent
justinallynhall: if I lived that close to quality ramen restaurants, I would be out of there as well
qingnakeh: a window's cloing in japan
marientina: which is why justin likes that word
okamilink: such troopers
justinallynhall: such!
marientina: just give it 30 years
marientina: with global warming
marientina: we will get there
pseudostereo: "the age of Windows lasted four centuries"
pseudostereo: uh oh
BableBlast: 30 years or 60, i will never wear those shoulderpads
marientina: that is what i said about wedge heels too
Hardcoremoogles: A Virtual window is reliant not on it's transparency but on it's opacity.
justinallynhall: she's showing one of these photographs: http://www.eyestorm.com/artist/Hiroshi_Sugimoto.aspx
michaelnaimark: it's a timelapse still of a particular movie playing (always in full).
nkymut: Sharp Aquos TV CM http://www.sharp.co.jp/products/cm/tv/tv107.html
BableBlast: but how many people use a "top-down" desktop image?  
marientina: mac people
BableBlast: if that's what's implied, why is it people barely ever choose to represent it that way?  
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ironman28@mac.com: http://www.thevirtualwindow.net
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Hardcoremoogles: Are there any differences between genders on the webpage?
ironman28@mac.com: you can choose different avatars in the "Viewers" tab
ironman28@mac.com: or add your own
justinallynhall: she got permission to use all this stuff?
okamilink: i loved Colbert's green screen challenge
okamilink: especially that entry by George L.  He was pretty good.
okamilink: permission?  for the internet?
justinallynhall: permission, you know, for fair use
justinallynhall: ahem
justinallynhall: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use
nkymut: http://djodjodesign.free.fr/podtube.html
justinallynhall: http://www.thevirtualwindow.net/ looks like it's not in del.icio.us yet
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BableBlast: it is now
BableBlast: i gave it crappy tags though
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qingnakeh: When the camera was moving to much when Dogma started, and Lars Von Trier filmed Breaking the Waves people complained becasue it made you feel dizzy. Now we are familiar with that style and it is used more elegant, Ex. Child of Men.
qingnakeh: Perhaps ASpect Ratio is similar
BableBlast: well, a moving camera helps break you away from a frame.  the problem with ever-changing aspect ratio is it makes you perpetually aware of the frame.
qingnakeh: or perhaps we need screens that are more flexible.  A balance between screen displays and perspectives.
justinallynhall: how about a display that you wear as part of a helmet on your head?
okamilink: do we want to do this for the sake of doing it or is there something we want to accomplish?
BableBlast: or in a contact lens?
qingnakeh: cntact lenses
BableBlast: wow, we both missed a letter
qingnakeh: laser operation
BableBlast: RJ: I think its sort of the former.  
OlduserNewhandle:  didn't Blair Witch use multiple aspect ratios?
okamilink: I mean, perhaps that's why we don't see many examples of that.
BableBlast: I still think an audience, in general, doesn't want to be perpetually reminded of formal elements
BableBlast: a frame is a formal element that distances someone from an image, reminds them of the reality
BableBlast: that they are sitting, probably in the dark, probably watching a wall of some kind
ironman28@mac.com: reminds them they are watching a reproductive apparatus
justinallynhall: I want to be able to redraw the frame while it's playing back
okamilink: but what about watching movies on a laptop, or a video ipod, or something... perhaps its not preferable, but people still enjoy it, right?
mayasc: Me too.  That would help a lot.
BableBlast: well yeah, individually being able to adjust the fram would be nice. that's deeper immersion
OlduserNewhandle:  infinite canvas
OlduserNewhandle:  wow... small font
mayasc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_canvas
qingnakeh: thanks
BableBlast: http://infinitezoom.com/
okamilink: what's that thing called, where you have the binocular-type things with the slides that change when you press the button?
ironman28@mac.com: this discussion about the elasticity of frames also suggests the movement toward elasticity of the timeline
BableBlast: elasticity of timeline, controlled by the user?  
ironman28@mac.com: yes
BableBlast: mmmmmm... that's good stuff
ironman28@mac.com: (interactive, you know)
dread33sf: um, viewmaster? 
qingnakeh: while we are talking about frame, frame ratio, do we actually take any care of the sound? and the content off the frame?
bigmikestein: RJ - Viewmaster
okamilink: excellent, thanks
justinallynhall: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/View-Master
BableBlast: The content off the frame is often important in movies
qingnakeh: and the speak-setups around/behind the screen
qingnakeh: like the srd sound sys, that drastically change viewers' sense of spatialization
michaelnaimark: (drift:-) corded phones in the bathtub.
BableBlast: books: not all bad
okamilink: a bold claim
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okamilink: until TiVo, which makes it more database-y
OlduserNewhandle:  but isn't TiVo more of a computer than a TV?
okamilink: that was the point :-)
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justinallynhall: http://www.warrenrobinett.com/nasa/nasa_hmd.jpg
justinallynhall: I wore a convenient T-shirt for the camera
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ironman28@mac.com: when the last movie projector is dissolved in the blood of the last projectionist
okamilink: "The Last Projectionist."  Sounds like a movie.
qingnakeh: Q: in terms of media, does TV get different when it shows an animation or a live action movie?
ironman28@mac.com: Justin: try it with this one: http://imlportfolio.usc.edu/blursharpen/nasa_hmdmatte.jpg
okamilink: that one's going to be good
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OlduserNewhandle:  of course not... it wouldn't have power
okamilink: good call
OlduserNewhandle:  you would need to take a generator with it
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