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Aaron4281 has entered the room. mark8680707 has entered the room. sachercreative@mac.com has entered the room. nohaptimusprime: hit it! jah161274: http://www.kenyattacheese.net/ mark8680707: Who is going to Yahoo? jah161274: Leonard Lin randomfoo: that's me w01110111 has entered the room. w01110111: right on erindinehart has entered the room. dread33sf: which company?? jah161274: http://www.upcoming.org/ randomfoo: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20051005/ap_on_hi_te/yahoo_upcoming_1 erindinehart: yea mark8680707: Sorry, who is Randomfoo? erindinehart: foo jah161274: Leonard Lin mtuters: sorry i can't be there, greetings to all and goodnight perryhoberman@mac.com: hi mark mtuters has left the room. Aaron4281: by marc Aaron4281: bye jah161274: why should film school students learn how to take video and put it online? erindinehart: because it is the new portfolio jah161274: some people, their ideas don't fit within the studio system BigMikeStein has entered the room. erindinehart: and a great way to share and enliven the community erindinehart: I have mine online for illegal viewing erindinehart: http://flownaway.com/sedportfolio jah161274: contangious ideas sachercreative@mac.com: USC/CNTV = Oldest films school (in the US) nohaptimusprime: viral contagion erindinehart: We need to break our content out of the SC community ironman28@mac.com: USC is a channel erindinehart: not on the phone Aaron4281: mostly because there are barely any decent games to play on the PSP dread33sf: working on getting a psp devkit for imd nohaptimusprime: thanks scott! erindinehart: It's an expensive platform with little compelling content randomfoo: gp2x is pretty hot alternative randomfoo: totally homebrew erindinehart: hmmm sachercreative@mac.com: goal = Subversive ideas and ways to propagate that content. Aaron4281: gp2x will never have an installed base that the psp does Aaron4281: its doomed to be a niche product sachercreative@mac.com: and people think 500 cable channels is troublesome... dread33sf: mobitv erindinehart: which is doomed 2 b niche? Aaron4281: GP2X randomfoo: gp2x plays standard divx/mpg erindinehart: Just look at mobile devices, almost all of them are niche, very few sell big numbers randomfoo: how many units did gp32 sell though? a few hundred k units? jah161274: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gp2x Aaron4281: in europe jah161274: how do you create video for ten people?" randomfoo: we'll see if the video pod is released on the 12th erindinehart: there is some talk this kind of stuff will break the 3g network skanknpaul has entered the room. erindinehart: it takes 10 times the power to send video data than voice randomfoo: newest sprint devices (ppc-6700) sustaining 1Mbit transfer rates in EVDO erindinehart: and it has to be sent to each and every handset, it is not broadcast sachercreative@mac.com: Welcome Ojai video bloggers – glad to see you in 3D! erindinehart: which some say might break the networks if it ever really took off randomfoo: i don't think so, there's so much dark fiber erindinehart: dark fiber? randomfoo: mbone will all broadcastip jah161274: http://www.rocketboom.com/ randomfoo: and that's ignoring the p2p aspect jah161274: 20,000 viewers per day? jah161274: or 60,000? w01110111: anyone know about mediaFLO w01110111: interesting whitepaper on how qualcomm is dealing with transfer issues Aaron4281: pretty singing ladies can't hurt a video blogs exposure jah161274: 3-5 minute episodes nohaptimusprime: paid actors? randomfoo: ah, formula erindinehart: yep randomfoo: so are we talking about wide distribution or video for 10 people erindinehart: really anthonyk323 has left the room. erindinehart: one leaves the social to become simple mass market pop culture erindinehart: the other is about connections with a small group of people w01110111: http://node101.org/ erindinehart: totally different sklathill has entered the room. yattacheese: http://www.vlogmap.org/ w01110111: ok, that link was pretty useless jah161274: yah jah161274: the vlog map rules, though jah161274: I found a weblog on the coast of india last night jah161274: videoblog, pardon me randomfoo: meme propagation vs flickr for video (vimeo, youtube) randomfoo: vs distribution channels (dtv, monsoon) randomfoo: vs vlogs anthonyk323 has entered the room. erindinehart: http://www.channel101.com/ randomfoo: awesometown: http://lessig.org/blog/archives/003152.shtml randomfoo: cc snl kids randomfoo: so awesome randomfoo: house of cosbys: http://www.channel101.com/shows/show.php?show_id=121 randomfoo: show that jumps the shark in the first episode. but some of the best most repeatable lines ever randomfoo: proof that bill cosby has no sense of humor randomfoo: another meme, shining: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/30/movies/30shin.html randomfoo: moveon commercials didn't change any minds... got bad pr because of how the nazi clip was spun w01110111: shining is great /// the west side story one is less so randomfoo: we shipped about 30tb of video the last weekend for the internetsvets project. yattacheese has left the room. randomfoo: but it didn't really matter :-( erindinehart: 30tb? jah161274 has left the room. erindinehart: sounds like allot o data? randomfoo: yah, we hosted copies of going upriver and f911 randomfoo: and lots of other clips randomfoo: like mosh, etc randomfoo: had about 20 100MB pipes saturated mark8680707: What Flickr did for photos, is now being done for video mark8680707: Flicker was cool last year this time erindinehart: Like TV randomfoo: video is not easily multitaskable mark8680707: Now they are bought by Yahoo Aaron4281: flickr was still pretty unknown even in october last year Aaron4281: started exploding in january '05 erindinehart: total distractions mark8680707: The rate of technological innovation (same level of unknown as this seminar tonight - i.e. same place) randomfoo: flickr has mobile. "video flickr" is obvious but won't happen until video taken from phones happen sachercreative@mac.com: Why download more distractions? How do we incorporate that into our lifestyles? mark8680707: point is - one year is very long time for incubation in this area randomfoo: continuous partial attention jah161274 has entered the room. jah161274: new forms of media through PSP mark8680707: and why should yahoo bother with internal r&d when they can simply aquire w01110111: maybe the discussion is about what types of media work well for mobile devices versus how to get any video on mobile devices mark8680707: Randomfoo? erindinehart: I imagine with time, and good content, we will settle into incorporating this media into our lifestyle randomfoo: video on phones works in japan b/c of trains. yeah, hope no ones watching here randomfoo: can a company like yahoo r&d? erindinehart: true erindinehart: won't work in this town randomfoo: but mark is right, way cheaper for them to have farm team erindinehart: gotta go to chi-town or NY marientina has left the room. w01110111 has left the room. randomfoo: they get teams that are dedicated and can pick best of breed skanknpaul has left the room. randomfoo: ie, for events, they could have taken evdb, or meetup, or any number of things nohaptimusprime: HA sachercreative@mac.com: mobile media players may be more social - Justin erindinehart: media for the rich and bored jah161274: why would you want to watch - Kellee asks jah161274: "snack video" - get a fix in little bits, when you're away from the big TV jah161274: not a still picture, not a video on a big screen erindinehart: exactly...scary, jah161274: what is a postage stamp video randomfoo: web showed the power of interstitial sachercreative@mac.com: why repeat yourself at a family reunion? Just give Aunt Ethel the PSP and run! jah161274: a punctuation? an expression? jah161274: haha randomfoo: it's like watching hdtv nature seens jah161274: since you have to concentrate on it, it's not like talking furtniture randomfoo: new tech has gee whiz factor skanknpaul has entered the room. randomfoo: like when colortv came out erindinehart: true, novelty plays a big part randomfoo: water cooler talk vs. baby photos jah161274: masterpiece/these days/right now - what do you want to see from someone? jah161274: raw/fresh/digest randomfoo: produced clips are about shared experience sachercreative@mac.com: masterpiece vs. yesterday vs. now.. - Naimark randomfoo: vs stuff only your family and friends are interested in erindinehart: but those where community things, gather around the TV, personal media has yet to take hold PeggyWeil: moment showing randomfoo: personal media yet to take hold? there are 10M blogs! randomfoo: 50-100K new blogs every day randomfoo: personal media's time has come erindinehart: yes but it is not integrated into society it's still just surface randomfoo: look at ning randomfoo: second life randomfoo: people are getting used to participatory rather than broadcast culture erindinehart: yes but these numbers are still very small, compared with mass media outlets erindinehart: I think we will see this stuff settle within 10 years erindinehart: we are still forging a path randomfoo: i'd say the long tail, but we don't have alcohol here, right? erindinehart: I have a few beers Aaron4281: share! erindinehart: come and get it Aaron4281: on my way erindinehart: luke warm sol...mmmmm randomfoo: sony sales prevention means that my sony t7 videos doesn't play on jason's psp! skanknpaul has left the room. jah161274: that's jes silly. jeez. they should make it #1 super easy to put video on the PSP! erindinehart: sony, I think has it's head in it's ass skanknpaul has entered the room. nohaptimusprime: howbout touchscreen video editing on the DS? randomfoo: sony is a company at war with itself erindinehart: true jah161274: amen sachercreative@mac.com: proprietary platforms aren't so proprietary. randomfoo: stringer (media) has taken over hardware though erindinehart: all the custom formats, it's crazy randomfoo: umd - proprietary, duo - proprietary, now micro erindinehart: it just seems wrong erindinehart: Where r the Europeans? randomfoo: you can play your drm media on any sony device erindinehart: Universal? nohaptimusprime: Europe DarkLinkSF: In the context of console hardware, though, it's to be expected randomfoo: wow, how open erindinehart: haha Aaron4281: how proprietary is proprietary though? i see 3rd party memory stick readers AND 3rd party memory sticks Damp puppy 21 has entered the room. randomfoo: every bit of friction removes a logarithmic percentile yattacheese has entered the room. Aaron4281: heh randomfoo: producers then become merely consumers erindinehart: true, but they just hold data and are not particular about the nodes they are transfering between randomfoo: which is what gated media production wants erindinehart: yep marientina has entered the room. marientina: the 'im' wireless is choking. If you have a 'g' wireless card please connect to im-g which is unsecured for tonight. erindinehart: g? Aaron4281: i've never heard of this "im-g" network nohaptimusprime has left the room. marientina: just installed today Damp puppy 21: You think Sony would be willing to support vblogging like Apple supports podcasting? jah161274: it's fer guests erindinehart: hell no jah161274: maybe eventually KL Aaron4281: o cool. is it faster? jah161274: I think they'll learn marientina: it will be permanent and secured, tomorrow sachercreative@mac.com: I have a Sony DVD walkman that doesn't work with the new mac OSX. They don't choose to upgrade the drivers after 5 years. Aaron4281: i thought im network already was using G marientina: it is G only jah161274: Kutaragi from Sony has said that PSP will open to other developers in 2-3 years marientina: 'im' is mixed mode b/g Aaron4281: ok marientina: im-g will only run in 'g' erindinehart: yea, just in time for a new hand held Damp puppy 21: Sony make money through their proprietary content Aaron4281: i'll switch randomfoo: there's something to be said for social experience Aaron4281: im a g Damp puppy 21: charging for licensing of their sdk Aaron4281 has left the room. BigMikeStein has left the room. Damp puppy 21: Apple doesn't charge to post a podcast on itunes BigMikeStein has entered the room. randomfoo: the number of interesting plane conversations i've had is astounding. talked about media w/ peter marx (former cto, universal vivendi) just last week coming down from san jose Aaron4281 has entered the room. Aaron4281: im-g feels really slow jericho1ne has entered the room. jah161274: hard disks are 1 dollar a gigabyte Aaron4281: hard drives are the new bling jah161274: when harddrives are 1 dollar a terabyte? THEN WHAT? randomfoo: more junk to not be able to find Damp puppy 21: yeah but what about the bandwidth sachercreative@mac.com: lol, digital bling... yattacheese: re: how to make a rocketboom... nohaptimusprime has entered the room. randomfoo: i just lost 1tb of data a couple weeks. but i haven't really missed it that much yattacheese: itreally just spread via word of mouth. sachercreative@mac.com: Scott, lead us to the democratization of media! Damp puppy 21: give a gigabyte line Damp puppy 21: Give me a gigabyte line randomfoo: we're entering a period where theres more good media than anyone could ever consume yattacheese: but that's not to say that it didn't benefit from being watched by or forwarded to the blogs on the higher end of the blog totem pole. randomfoo: yeah, not gonna lie, helps to have high pagerank and good wuffie randomfoo: same in any case. but you're seeing *lots* of social models for helping good stuff get filtered yattacheese: there is still a social order to the blogosphere. randomfoo: sure, the question if it's more fluid or not than what came before yattacheese: it wasn't until after being noticed by the waxys and kottkes and such that RB got coverage in BusinessWeek, CBS, etc. Damp puppy 21: RB? sachercreative@mac.com: Other issues with the CNTV policy = SAG & LA City agreements... yattacheese: RB = rocketboom Damp puppy 21: ah erindinehart: exaclty erindinehart: press, randomfoo: yeah, but waxy gets all his good stuff from people he trusts randomfoo: and if any of those people see something good they pass it on erindinehart: once you have a few press circuits hook into it...boom sklathill has left the room. erindinehart: true, good product will not create exposure randomfoo: and the cost isn't biz or stuff like traditional media, it's just a link erindinehart: yep erindinehart: it's hard to get any data on it randomfoo: shake! erindinehart: sounds like luck erindinehart: shake? like rattle and roll? Damp puppy 21: likewise I'd like to see battlestar galatica on psp randomfoo: frylock, meatwad Damp puppy 21: on demand nohaptimusprime: like master randomfoo: bsg comes out on psp day after on newsgroups randomfoo: easynews, demonoid, oink, it - everything you need MagicM7658: what's that watering hole link? Damp puppy 21: yeah but I would never dl from a newsgroup :-) jah161274: aaron - what was that link? jah161274: for the watering hole randomfoo: but the question is do you have better things to do w/ your time than consuming media? Aaron4281: http://www9.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/wildcamafrica/wildcam.html Aaron4281: Pete's Pond randomfoo: if i have 10m i want to organize my gtd list so i have more time to spend it valuably, like w/ friends elsewhen MagicM7658: thanks jah161274: there you go jah161274: danke Aaron4281: African watering hole Aaron4281: justin, stream it on the screens for a sec ironman28@mac.com: You have to open it in Safari skanknpaul has left the room. Aaron4281: doh! jah161274: haha steve - that was good. randomfoo: in manhattan there's no room for a tv right? Aaron4281: hah BigMikeStein has left the room. jericho1ne has left the room. erindinehart: there was a great study done on American media consumption recently, we spend more time consuming media than anything, eating sleeping, fucking erindinehart: I tried to find the link, but to no avail, it was a story that ran on NPR randomfoo: http://randomfoo.net/blog/id/3999 yattacheese: http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/002503.html sachercreative@mac.com: Justin enjoys the potential journalistic opportunities. randomfoo: for the video yattacheese: the blair watch project yattacheese: sousveillance randomfoo: you need your rights card erindinehart: rights card erindinehart: ? Damp puppy 21: http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Dance_party_broken_up_by_police_in_Utah,_USA randomfoo: but the question is about the wanking question? sachercreative@mac.com: Social conscience and/or the ultimate voyeuristic tool? randomfoo: all those people spending months on their burning man mobile installation randomfoo: is it a good thing for the establishment because all that creative energy is wasted? sachercreative@mac.com: ah yes, let's not forget shameless self promotion... jah161274: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sousveillance randomfoo: or is it good to help create a culture that then ultimately helps change? Aaron4281: that medallion is fresh nohaptimusprime: stoopid fresh randomfoo: needs a clock sachercreative@mac.com: Personally, I think it is both. DarkLinkSF: Hmm.. are there illiterate deaf people? randomfoo: and some uptowns Aaron4281: its the new clock DarkLinkSF: It would be good for sign language DarkLinkSF: or other gestural communication Damp puppy 21: anyone listen to podcasts? erindinehart: no but I hear about them all the time, so hip nohaptimusprime: its the new mixtape jah161274: I listened to a very elaborately crafted podcasts jah161274: podcast, singular jah161274: by a friend - that's the only one randomfoo: 75minutes, very good. i can't stand voice podcasts though randomfoo: where's the metata? randomfoo: how to scan it? randomfoo: how to aggregate? nohaptimusprime: PROTOBLOGGER Damp puppy 21: they seem easier to develop, distribute, and acquire than Vblogging dread33sf: where is this siam pdf link? Damp puppy 21: metata? sachercreative@mac.com: Is Justin a "connector", "maven", or "salesman" according to Malcolm: http://www.gladwell.com/tippingpoint/tp_excerpt2.html marientina: i don't think that anyone has really yet answered the 'why' do this Damp puppy 21: why vblog? marientina: ya Damp puppy 21: depends on the content worth putting up marientina: and ? and? randomfoo: why be in a film program? why try to make stuff? PeggyWeil: there isn't one why randomfoo: why eat? why live? Damp puppy 21: and the how easy it is to put up the content perryhoberman@mac.com: you might have to do it for a while to figure out why Damp puppy 21: and whether it's worth the effort marientina: you need to tie the vblogging more into current film/video making practices so it isn't just treated like a novelty markus.sandy@mac.com has entered the room. Damp puppy 21: what's worth vblogging about over podcasting about it, or textblogging about it? nohaptimusprime: "you had to be there" jah161274: videobloggers will get their skills over time, with practice Damp puppy 21: I say sports, movie reviews, news Aaron4281: are you serious damp puppy? markus.sandy@mac.com: it's like writing - needs skills devlopment and practice nohaptimusprime: i am wondering whether what we are collectively more interested in is portable video production or distribution of traditional video to portable devices marientina: you need to write about this in an organized matter if you want to evangelize the medium; you can't just say 'because it is cool' markus.sandy@mac.com: agreed Aaron4281: well marientina: otherwise this will be buried as an underground practice marientina: or worse yet, a novelty perryhoberman@mac.com: I don't know marientina, I think there was a lot of early www stuff that was just done because it was 'cool' marientina: ya marientina: but perryhoberman@mac.com: and then later on it actually led to something marientina: when you're bringing newbies to it, you have to have some sort of of speech prepared nohaptimusprime: a powerpoint helps marientina: the 'why' is it cool marientina: so when one asks 'why' you can bombard them with a list of stuff marientina: it doesn't have to be a ppt sachercreative@mac.com: smart people may figure out a way to use it for social change/good. Ah, but then they may hire a high powered lawyer and sell the idea to yahoo. marientina: it just needs to be organized in your head markus.sandy@mac.com: node101 participants are assembling docs like this on their wiki marientina: justin should have done this today dread33sf: it's max Headroom Damp puppy 21: that question applies to all blogs marientina: so far we have 1. activism, 2. journalism, 3. personal moments, 4. snacks? jah161274: there could be some art that is made marientina: 5. ?? jah161274: as peggy was hinting at, "expressions" marientina: 5. art randomfoo: kaycee nicole marientina: 6. urban myth propagation erindinehart: faculty, guests, and survey participants are welcome to the cold Stella Artois and New Castle Brown Ale. Damp puppy 21: is this discussion isolated to just personal blogs? marientina: no erindinehart: just come by my hairy desk marientina: vblogs Damp puppy 21: I mean what about the mainstream content nohaptimusprime: flogs = fake blogs randomfoo: why convince anyone? perryhoberman@mac.com: Ken Goldberg: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0262571544/qid=1128566597/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/103-0049022-5855020?v=glance&s=books sachercreative@mac.com has left the room. randomfoo: if people want to do it they will regardless of the conceptual framework you try to apply to it Damp puppy 21: what's a good directory for vblogs? markus.sandy@mac.com: mefeddia markus.sandy@mac.com: opps, mefeedia markus.sandy@mac.com: also, vlogdir Damp puppy 21: cool ironman28@mac.com has left the room. anthonyk323 has left the room. Damp puppy 21 has left the room. marientina has left the room. Aaron4281 has left the room. mark8680707 has left the room. jah161274: hi jah161274: this is now the functional backchannel for the workshop jah161274: ! jah161274: :D DarkLinkSF has left the room. erindinehart has left the room. yattacheese: 192.168.1.106 yattacheese: http://ourmedia.org/tools marientina has entered the room. jah161274: http://10.10.26.4/public jah161274: http://www.ourmedia.org/tools randomfoo: ourmedia, very cool, based on drupal randomfoo: but jd lasica has linkfarming on his blog. boo urns randomfoo: http://creativecommons.org/ randomfoo: free hosting from internet archive as well for cc works PeggyWeil has left the room. randomfoo: btw, tangent about the bikes against bush: http://www.refuseandresist.org/rnc/art.php?aid=1496 randomfoo: law pre-enforcement and other tricky things are things that came out of the 2000 republican convention randomfoo: arresting and the holding, and dropping charges after the event jah161274: thank you Marientina! yattacheese: http://vimeo.com/ yattacheese: http://www.ourmedia.org yattacheese: http://blip.tv/ erindinehart has entered the room. marientina has left the room. erindinehart has left the room. nohaptimusprime: MT accounts count, right? MagicM7658 has left the room. perryhoberman@mac.com has left the room. randomfoo: http://www.google.com/searchq=agile+teaching erindinehart has entered the room. randomfoo: also see http://www.google.com/search?q=just+in+time+teaching randomfoo: to get a pedagogical ph.d you need to use large multisyllabics yattacheese has entered the room. randomfoo has entered the room. nohaptimusprime has entered the room. yattacheese: goodnight, ya'll yattacheese has left the room. randomfoo has left the room.