imdbot (5:59:08 PM) has entered the room. Envarh (5:59:08 PM) has entered the room. ATTENTION (5:59:08 PM): Envarh is on your blocked list. lulucaoch (5:59:08 PM) has entered the room. dread33sf (5:59:08 PM) has entered the room. kasskat (5:59:08 PM) has entered the room. edeaasylum (5:59:08 PM) has entered the room. AlaDiab (5:59:08 PM) has entered the room. Aardbj (5:59:08 PM) has entered the room. dread33sf (5:59:30 PM): akemashita omedetou kasskat (5:59:39 PM): Envarh is on Scott's block list? :X envarh (5:59:49 PM): ouch, bro Oldusernewhandle (6:01:20 PM) has entered the room. ATTENTION (6:01:20 PM): Oldusernewhandle is on your blocked list. kasskat (6:01:25 PM): ... What ... what is the graphical smiley that replaced my :x ... oldusernewhandle (6:01:25 PM): sweeeet kasskat (6:01:34 PM): Is that drool? bableblast (6:01:35 PM) has entered the room. ATTENTION (6:01:35 PM): bableblast is on your blocked list. edeaasylum (6:01:46 PM): No. 'My lips are sealed' I would say evidentmaniac (6:01:51 PM) has entered the room. ATTENTION (6:01:51 PM): evidentmaniac is on your blocked list. kasskat (6:01:54 PM): Ohh, it's a zipper. evidentmaniac (6:02:00 PM): Test test... envarh (6:02:12 PM): quiz quiz edeaasylum (6:02:14 PM): Yep. So, a temporary sealing I suppose. lamesarkas (6:02:34 PM) has entered the room. envarh (6:02:39 PM): Petros! lamesarkas (6:03:26 PM): yes smokeygnome (6:03:56 PM) has entered the room. ATTENTION (6:03:56 PM): smokeygnome is on your blocked list. imdbot (6:08:16 PM): http://interactive.usc.edu nsamazon (6:10:04 PM) has entered the room. nsamazon (6:10:27 PM): happy spring '08 everyone! oldusernewhandle (6:10:40 PM): BAH! HUMBUG! oldusernewhandle (6:10:45 PM): I don't BELIEVE in spring oldusernewhandle (6:10:51 PM): it's just a myth bableblast (6:11:00 PM): in january, certainly envarh (6:11:20 PM): I have the single worst Wii game published now lamesarkas (6:11:24 PM): which? envarh (6:11:43 PM): Anubis II envarh (6:11:49 PM): 19 metacritic oldusernewhandle (6:11:56 PM): wow oldusernewhandle (6:11:58 PM): impressive nsamazon (6:12:02 PM) has left the room. lamesarkas (6:12:29 PM): The game has received a 1.5/10 rating from Gamespot and a 2/10 rating from IGN.[4] The Wii version of Anubis II was also nominated for Flat-Out Worst Game of 2007 by Gamespot. TruffleDi (6:13:18 PM) has entered the room. ATTENTION (6:13:18 PM): TruffleDi is on your blocked list. kasskat (6:14:15 PM): http://www.answers.com/anamorphic?cat=technology envarh (6:14:25 PM): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anamorphosis nsamazon (6:15:20 PM) has entered the room. envarh (6:16:20 PM): 30 minutes of research will save you 3 weeks of work lamesarkas (6:16:31 PM): at least envarh (6:20:53 PM): Echochrome? bableblast (6:21:04 PM): is that the escher game? evidentmaniac (6:21:09 PM): echochrome is okay. evidentmaniac (6:21:11 PM): Yeah. lamesarkas (6:21:19 PM): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echochrome envarh (6:22:14 PM): also Fez, made with "trixels" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrVVIVyLx-Y bableblast (6:22:16 PM): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crush_(video_game) envarh (6:22:58 PM): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfICeBtVv8U envarh (6:25:01 PM): Night Journey Trailer, courtesy of Rossmassler envarh (6:25:03 PM): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL1_twK2NDc MagicM7658 (6:25:16 PM) has entered the room. ATTENTION (6:25:16 PM): MagicM7658 is on your blocked list. magicm7658 (6:25:59 PM): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrVVIVyLx-Y magicm7658 (6:27:28 PM): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udEywtrjBkw envarh (6:31:31 PM): Is Nobi Nobi boy interesting enough, or still half baked? envarh (6:31:32 PM): http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/122910.html oldusernewhandle (6:32:26 PM): a sports game for Portal oldusernewhandle (6:32:33 PM): multiplayer magicm7658 (6:33:38 PM): http://tserve01.aid.design.kyushu-u.ac.jp/~fujiki/ole_coordinate_system/index.html edeaasylum (6:33:47 PM): What is the point in Nobi Nobi Boy? kasskat (6:33:58 PM): Yeah, that's my question. magicm7658 (6:34:00 PM): free prior version of echocrome Hardcoremoogles (6:34:48 PM) has entered the room. ATTENTION (6:34:48 PM): Hardcoremoogles is on your blocked list. evidentmaniac (6:36:20 PM): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hmyn5VkLMYU magicm7658 (6:38:58 PM): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om-Q05yOGWs bableblast (6:39:21 PM): bolas: there is no space kasskat (6:39:48 PM): I feel ba for that dude. kasskat (6:39:51 PM): bad, even. kasskat (6:40:02 PM): Reminds me a bit of Loco Roco? magicm7658 (6:40:41 PM): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmEoW7ihAS0 bableblast (6:40:54 PM): isn a date with the restaurant, not the women bableblast (6:40:59 PM): yeouch bableblast (6:41:02 PM): nevermind magicm7658 (6:43:12 PM): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6Nszc7hy9M oldusernewhandle (6:43:29 PM): real life is cliche envarh (6:43:40 PM): Even if they are illusions, they are inescapable. oldusernewhandle (6:45:23 PM): this conversation is an illusion oldusernewhandle (6:45:27 PM): and I roll to disbelieve kasskat (6:45:42 PM): /roll02-dice20 ? envarh (6:45:52 PM): http://dresdencodak.com/cartoons/dc_014.htm envarh (6:46:03 PM): can we get that scrolled? kasskat (6:46:12 PM): #down kasskat (6:46:14 PM): :P Skeckulous (6:46:32 PM) has entered the room. ATTENTION (6:46:32 PM): Skeckulous is on your blocked list. oldusernewhandle (6:47:26 PM): I draw my sword and attack the ogre truffledi (6:47:57 PM): OR DO YOU magicm7658 (6:48:26 PM): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBv1vzvxGSk skeckulous (6:49:28 PM): http://www.homestarrunner.com/dungeonman.html kasskat (6:49:51 PM): That might make a neat game. kasskat (6:49:56 PM): The clapping thing to navigate a maze. envarh (6:50:24 PM): "And He Built a Crooked House" envarh (6:50:28 PM): short story envarh (6:52:21 PM): Sapience again? evidentmaniac (6:55:23 PM): Super Candy Land Turbo. evidentmaniac (6:55:30 PM): Now with more wormholes! envarh (6:55:38 PM): really? envarh (6:56:40 PM): I think with incoherent spaces bableblast (6:56:46 PM): thsi is starting to remind me of: bableblast (6:56:47 PM): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Leaves envarh (6:56:49 PM): you build a mental map of perspectives in a sequence bableblast (6:56:57 PM): (which everyone should attempt to read) bableblast (6:59:04 PM): ok, the wikipedia page isn't helpful... it's a book about an eternally shifting, formless labyrinth bableblast (6:59:10 PM): a space that cannot be mapped lamesarkas (6:59:53 PM): for everyones' convenience: http://www.andyetitmoves.at/index.php?content=downloads smokeygnome (6:59:59 PM): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Blob envarh (7:00:01 PM): this one, too (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E2%80%9C%E2%80%94And_He_Built_a_Crooked_House%E2%80%94%E2%80%9D) envarh (7:00:08 PM): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E2%80%9C%E2%80%94And_He_Built_a_Crooked_House%E2%80%94%E2%80%9D envarh (7:00:18 PM): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Blob this first though smokeygnome (7:00:58 PM): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoBi77XD4xA bableblast (7:03:07 PM): who are you, smokeygnome? edeaasylum (7:03:43 PM): http://interactive.usc.edu/ smokeygnome (7:03:58 PM): Blade Olson, freshman in the Undergrad Interactive Media program lamesarkas (7:04:10 PM): oh Blade oldusernewhandle (7:04:11 PM): awesomest name ever envarh (7:04:32 PM): utilize our knowledge base? For how many dollars? bableblast (7:08:35 PM): "It's hard NOT to look at Club Penguin" TruffleDi (7:09:43 PM) has left the room. oldusernewhandle (7:10:05 PM): but can you post it on the fridge? lamesarkas (7:10:37 PM): need an oled fridge evidentmaniac (7:10:56 PM): They got them with the displays over the water dispenser... oldusernewhandle (7:11:56 PM): combine DDR with Karaoke Revolution MagicM7658 (7:12:25 PM) has left the room. kasskat (7:13:04 PM): Gotta get Para Para in that combination too. edeaasylum (7:13:09 PM): They have - a bit. Karaoke Revolution Party edeaasylum (7:13:10 PM): http://ps2.ign.com/objects/748/748601.html edeaasylum (7:13:27 PM): http://interactive.usc.edu/ kasskat (7:13:27 PM): KR Party's no good... the steps aren't shown correctly. kasskat (7:13:40 PM): It sidescrolls instead of going up/down like regular DDR, makes the steps impossible to read. :x evidentmaniac (7:13:52 PM): parapara ddr karaoke guitar freaks... + harmonica? oldusernewhandle (7:14:11 PM): accordion! envarh (7:15:58 PM): no. no more accordion hero. edeaasylum (7:16:02 PM) has left the room. oldusernewhandle (7:17:58 PM): hurdy gurdy? edeaasylum (7:18:13 PM) has entered the room. envarh (7:19:43 PM): so Chris Anderson (the Long Tail guy) had a nice presentation about his next book, "Free" which is about economies where it costs more to charge for goods and services than it does to give them away envarh (7:19:57 PM): things like storage space on the web, etc, envarh (7:20:29 PM): but he had an interesting point about how we haven't really explored how to monetize things beyond packaging your free stuff with your advertising envarh (7:20:42 PM): I think we still lack a good way to monetize widgets envarh (7:20:55 PM): and I've been trying to figure some out envarh (7:21:04 PM): presentation here --> http://www.netvision.de/uk/dispatching/?event_id=5bb1b5e95afabb2e62d2b148ded47706&portal_id=369401748e8249f142a700d8098a3473 edeaasylum (7:21:07 PM): Yay SH5! envarh (7:21:11 PM): interactive.usc.edu envarh (7:21:36 PM): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFGl-t2iiMo envarh (7:22:35 PM): does he mean horror? dread33sf (7:22:46 PM): agree - the anderson talk is really interesting. envarh (7:25:08 PM): I think the silent hill series is perhaps the closest we'll ever get to a series of good HP Lovecraft games lamesarkas (7:25:29 PM): what about Call of Cthluhu? GOD MAX evidentmaniac (7:25:35 PM): I miss alone in the dark 1... envarh (7:25:38 PM): I heard nothing about it envarh (7:25:42 PM): after it dropped evidentmaniac (7:25:43 PM): And Call of cthulu's beginning was GREAT. lamesarkas (7:25:52 PM): yeah the beginning to that game was wonderful oldusernewhandle (7:25:54 PM): dark corners? hardcoremoogles (7:25:59 PM): I'm thinking Eternal Darkness personally, but that's not a series...yet (please) dread33sf (7:26:00 PM): Forgot that konami did this stereo version of metalgear too:http://interactive.usc.edu/members/sfisher/archives/2006/01/psp_in_stereo_1.html evidentmaniac (7:26:02 PM): The middle andend? :\ dread33sf (7:26:42 PM): http://interactive.usc.edu/ bableblast (7:27:40 PM): the safe haven thing reminds me of eternal darkness as well evidentmaniac (7:28:02 PM): The room was very nice. evidentmaniac (7:28:16 PM): The side-scrolling was... not so nice... dread33sf (7:28:19 PM): sound slike FIncher's Panic Room dread33sf (7:28:20 PM): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_Room envarh (7:29:30 PM): are lizard brain emotions like fear and aggression really all that difficult to create in a game? envarh (7:30:56 PM): http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/psp/silenthillorigins?q=silent%20hill%20origins envarh (7:31:40 PM): this too envarh (7:31:41 PM): http://kotaku.com/342922/zero-punctuation-silent-hill-origins envarh (7:31:49 PM): http://interactive.usc.edu oldusernewhandle (7:32:04 PM): Resident Evil: Dead Aim lamesarkas (7:32:30 PM): that zero punctuation review of silent hill origins is really good bableblast (7:33:02 PM): resident evil 4 was a great ride... and i'd call it more ride than game envarh (7:33:32 PM): repetitive jump scares ThTruffleShuffle (7:34:54 PM) has entered the room. ATTENTION (7:34:54 PM): ThTruffleShuffle is on your blocked list. thtruffleshuffle (7:35:05 PM): other notable games that were scary were condemned thtruffleshuffle (7:35:13 PM): alone in the dark thtruffleshuffle (7:35:15 PM): silverfall thtruffleshuffle (7:35:20 PM): left4dead thtruffleshuffle (7:35:31 PM): which uses a system called 'the director' evidentmaniac (7:35:41 PM): the 2004 dawn of the dead... thtruffleshuffle (7:35:44 PM): to measure out enemy spawning envarh (7:36:00 PM): scene managers are awesome thtruffleshuffle (7:36:01 PM): there is an excellent unreal 2k4 mod called killing floor evidentmaniac (7:36:10 PM): Max Brooks' World War Z and Zombie Survival guide... thtruffleshuffle (7:36:10 PM): it's not a scene manager envarh (7:36:22 PM): no? thtruffleshuffle (7:36:52 PM): it keeps track of the player's movement, ammo, health and combat, and actually will put lulls into the gameplay if things get too frenetic bableblast (7:37:53 PM): seems like most horror films rely on a sense of helplessness... funny trick, creating helplessness in games without taking too much control away from the player envarh (7:37:56 PM): quick poll envarh (7:38:10 PM): who (who has seen it) counts Zodiac as a scary movie? bableblast (7:38:43 PM): i wouldn't oldusernewhandle (7:38:48 PM): Jamie: Isn't that survival horror? As the player runs out of resources they become more and more helpless lamesarkas (7:38:52 PM): Not I dread33sf (7:39:21 PM): Wouldn't say scary bableblast (7:39:32 PM): it's one truly suspenseful scene is disingenuous, against the grain of the rest of the movie lamesarkas (7:39:34 PM): I'd call it more... mediocre? envarh (7:39:48 PM): hahaha ouch, ok, so 0 for 3 oldusernewhandle (7:40:08 PM): Max: Is it SUPPOSED to be a scary movie? envarh (7:40:15 PM): I think parts were envarh (7:40:27 PM): beyond just the basement scene oldusernewhandle (7:40:29 PM): like the frighteners? bableblast (7:40:29 PM): Mike: Yes, but there have to be other profound ways to make players feel a terrifying loss of control without taking away their bullets bableblast (7:40:35 PM): that's just a ticking clock thtruffleshuffle (7:40:45 PM): since silent hill origins was just an RE4 ripoff envarh (7:41:12 PM): we need more twilight zone type twists in games oldusernewhandle (7:41:16 PM): Jamie: how about more powerful/smarter enemies? smokeygnome (7:41:23 PM): feed confusion without frustration? envarh (7:41:33 PM): where your greatest strengths become your weaknesses envarh (7:41:39 PM): but in a spooky way, not a stupid way lamesarkas (7:41:41 PM): Max: I agree with that, but we need to first figure out how to use the same type of twist will work in interactive lamesarkas (7:41:43 PM): yeah lamesarkas (7:41:52 PM): (and how it will work) envarh (7:41:53 PM): monkey's paw type stuff bableblast (7:42:25 PM): well, what if your cache of bullets/weapons is kept in a physical place? envarh (7:42:35 PM): that's the problem of space again! bableblast (7:42:35 PM): and there's a question about whether it's safe bableblast (7:42:51 PM): inescapable, max. inescapable lamesarkas (7:42:53 PM): see i think that's an interesting thing to do, and most games totally ignore it oldusernewhandle (7:43:24 PM): oh, I thought you were saying that other horror games were condemned smokeygnome (7:43:24 PM): isn't that what doom 3 did? and beat it to death? envarh (7:43:30 PM): peter, did you ever see Doomsday for Mr. Denton? lamesarkas (7:43:38 PM): I didn't envarh (7:43:46 PM): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Denton_on_Doomsday lamesarkas (7:43:54 PM): oh wait bableblast (7:43:55 PM): Did Doom 3 pit you against your weapons in that way? envarh (7:43:59 PM): no oldusernewhandle (7:44:08 PM): that comment of mine was to you Rossmassler envarh (7:44:12 PM): there, the more you killed, the stronger the soul cube got thtruffleshuffle (7:44:19 PM): i feel that the best recent horror movie was probably the descent thtruffleshuffle (7:44:19 PM): ? bableblast (7:44:25 PM): agree oldusernewhandle (7:44:38 PM): I thought you were saying that the games you were listing were condemned thtruffleshuffle (7:44:56 PM): ohh envarh (7:44:58 PM): capitalization becomes important thtruffleshuffle (7:45:03 PM): no, condemned: criminal origins oldusernewhandle (7:45:09 PM): I get that now :) envarh (7:46:24 PM): what about a multiplayer game based on betrayal envarh (7:46:30 PM): not just kane and lynch's multiplayer bableblast (7:46:30 PM): Eve Online? envarh (7:46:33 PM): hahaha lamesarkas (7:46:36 PM): haha envarh (7:46:37 PM): here's one for you envarh (7:46:40 PM): "The Cabin" envarh (7:46:47 PM): 8-12 people trapped in a log cabin envarh (7:46:50 PM): it gets snowed in envarh (7:46:56 PM): and they have to choose who to eat bableblast (7:47:09 PM): And you choose a person a day bableblast (7:47:12 PM): ? envarh (7:47:50 PM): no envarh (7:48:01 PM): you add a hunger meter (meater) envarh (7:48:12 PM): if you try to butcher somebody, it uses up your energy thtruffleshuffle (7:48:21 PM): sounds a bit like resident evit: survivor envarh (7:48:22 PM): so you have to plot to get the cleanest kill thtruffleshuffle (7:48:31 PM): or even manhunt bableblast (7:48:46 PM): ah, so the person who actually kills is at a disadvantage, but someone NEEDS to be killed envarh (7:48:51 PM): yes envarh (7:49:00 PM): and conspiracies are encouraged envarh (7:49:21 PM): also, you randomly generate the player's bodies at the start of each round envarh (7:49:30 PM): so maybe the fat guy can go longest without eating envarh (7:49:36 PM): or maybe he's the best target bableblast (7:49:42 PM): I think that sort of game would be more powerful if there was something at stake... something that made you WANT to leave bableblast (7:49:46 PM): leave=live envarh (7:49:55 PM): like gold envarh (7:50:00 PM): if they were prospectors oldusernewhandle (7:50:01 PM): electro-shock bableblast (7:50:02 PM): EXACTLY like gold thtruffleshuffle (7:50:03 PM): the longer you survive, the better condiments you get? envarh (7:50:04 PM): trapped on a mountain envarh (7:50:08 PM): oh yeah envarh (7:50:12 PM): or a donner party game? oldusernewhandle (7:50:15 PM): plug the player into the game thtruffleshuffle (7:50:26 PM): there was a great point and click game centered around werewolves in the wild west thtruffleshuffle (7:50:40 PM): a psx era game, called silverfall, i think envarh (7:51:16 PM): here's the m. night shyamalan twist: at the end of the game, it is revealed that the winning cannibal is pac-man, and everyone he ate is now a ghost oldusernewhandle (7:51:33 PM): that's more of a Uwe Boll twist thtruffleshuffle (7:52:16 PM): it was actually called silverload envarh (7:52:25 PM): ... evidentmaniac (7:53:38 PM) has left the room. bableblast (7:54:11 PM): What if there was some sort of anonymity at stake in these games? You're backstabbing, killing and eating each other, and if you lose your real name / global username is revealed. Until then, you can act in the game anonymously bableblast (7:54:20 PM): Sorry, this is ten minutes ago bableblast (7:54:24 PM): back in "cabin" thtruffleshuffle (7:54:31 PM): OH thtruffleshuffle (7:54:40 PM): that is a source game called the Ship envarh (7:54:45 PM): that too thtruffleshuffle (7:54:46 PM): an excellent, excellent game envarh (7:54:52 PM): but we're going for a horror feel envarh (7:55:08 PM): I can't believe I forgot about The Ship though thtruffleshuffle (7:55:17 PM): i think the problem may be that lately horror == macabre thtruffleshuffle (7:55:27 PM): gore and violence do not horror make envarh (7:55:30 PM): that's much more professor plum w/ candle stick though, isn't it? bableblast (7:55:41 PM): but the premise needn't be envarh (7:55:42 PM): a little bit wacky thtruffleshuffle (7:55:44 PM): well, with a vial of poison envarh (7:56:04 PM): that's spookier envarh (7:57:24 PM): has anybody made a sweet vampire game? oldusernewhandle (7:57:38 PM): something from the Legacy of Kain series? envarh (7:57:40 PM): maybe a mystery type deal oldusernewhandle (7:57:43 PM): I liked Blood Omen 2 envarh (7:57:46 PM): where you've got to track down dracula envarh (7:57:52 PM): it's not scary if you're the vampire oldusernewhandle (7:58:03 PM): oh, you said sweet vampire game oldusernewhandle (7:58:07 PM): you want scary? envarh (7:58:14 PM): man, a hound of the baskervilles game would be pretty sweet too envarh (7:58:17 PM): hahahaha envarh (7:58:24 PM): in this context sweet = scary oldusernewhandle (7:58:31 PM): oh, my bad thtruffleshuffle (8:00:41 PM): http://kotaku.com/342922/zero-punctuation-silent-hill-origins thtruffleshuffle (8:01:16 PM): oh dementium: the ward thtruffleshuffle (8:01:22 PM): another great horror game dread33sf (8:01:26 PM): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J-Horror oldusernewhandle (8:01:37 PM): sanitarium? oldusernewhandle (8:01:40 PM): that was trippy edeaasylum (8:02:05 PM): Phantasmagoria although I don't know if it was good. Seemed grotesque for grotesque sake. oldusernewhandle (8:02:06 PM): fatal frame 2 was fun oldusernewhandle (8:02:13 PM): what I played of it at least envarh (8:02:17 PM): ok, that's it envarh (8:02:23 PM): we're having a Stay Alive viewing party dread33sf (8:02:27 PM): J-Horror in Videogames Forbidden Siren 2 Fatal Frame Silent Hill Resident Evil lamesarkas (8:02:34 PM): can we eat buffalo wings? envarh (8:02:46 PM): yes, and raise money for ongoing katrina charities AlaDiab (8:02:49 PM) has left the room. envarh (8:03:13 PM): it's terrible that the last movie made in New Orleans was a movie about a video game that kills people hardcoremoogles (8:03:30 PM): I'm not sure about that, the original Guitar Freaks had a great deal of licensed US music in it, such as Queen and was also slated for a US PSX release. hardcoremoogles (8:03:34 PM): Konami also released the guitar controller in the US at the time, but that was only for Epehermal Fantasia. I'm not sure it was a marketing issue at this point, they just didn't think anyone in the US was interested. edeaasylum (8:04:06 PM) has left the room. Hardcoremoogles (8:04:08 PM) has left the room. Oldusernewhandle (8:04:17 PM) has left the room. lulucaoch (8:04:19 PM) has left the room. ThTruffleShuffle (8:04:34 PM) has left the room. nsamazon (8:04:36 PM) has left the room. Envarh (8:04:43 PM) has left the room. lamesarkas (8:04:44 PM) has left the room. smokeygnome (8:04:46 PM) has left the room. bableblast (8:05:38 PM) has left the room. Aardbj (8:05:41 PM) has left the room. kasskat (8:05:42 PM) has left the room.