You have just entered room "imd." justinallynhall: oops justinallynhall: this is the right link: justinallynhall: http://www.elephantstaircase.com/wiki/index.php?title=HowToBuildALoft PeggyWeil has entered the room. anthonyk323 has entered the room. ironman28@mac.com has entered the room. justinallynhall: I <3 the McCoys justinallynhall: where is that exhibit? asynch0404 has entered the room. EvidentManiac has entered the room. EvidentManiac has left the room. EvidentManiac has entered the room. SupaDre2K2 has entered the room. ironman28@mac.com: http://fringexhibitions.com justinallynhall: thanks! nohaptimusprime has entered the room. Hokyman164 has entered the room. ironman28@mac.com: who is the composer he just mentioned? dread33sf: studied with pauline Oliveros at RPI ironman28@mac.com: thx PeggyWeil: http://www.deeplistening.org/pauline/ ironman28@mac.com: TV as database! Aaron4281: i saw these installed somewhere once Aaron4281: maybe at the brooklyn art museum PeggyWeil: doesn't MaryAnne Amacher also live in Kingston NY? nohaptimusprime: quadra and SCSI is the power combo dread33sf: she does EvidentManiac: VCDs dread33sf: she teaches at BArd ironman28@mac.com: Robot Films! justinallynhall: I saw them installed at Eyebeam I think BableBlast has entered the room. justinallynhall: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauline_Oliveros mtuters has entered the room. BableBlast: "If everything I knew about the world, I learned from Kung-Fu... what would I know?" nohaptimusprime: if you want to know how much about interactive media you would learn by watching every episode of macgyver, ask me mtuters: this has always seemed to me like a kinda OCD pothead project mtuters: in a good way justinallynhall: I'm wondering if I should merge this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_McCoy_%28artist%29 into this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_%26_Kevin_McCoy ironman28@mac.com: thank you for clarifying that PeggyWeil: artification vaparedes has entered the room. mtuters: why kung fu and starsky and hutch? why not like... masterpiece theatre. i wonder what the motivation for picking the 70's ephemera was? BableBlast: based on what he said about his process I think that's a good idea (justin) justinallynhall: yeah I think so too Aaron4281: because thats what they growed up on? ironman28@mac.com: you had to be there -- Kung Fu and Starsky and Hutch were the defining shows of my childhood mtuters: what about chips ironman28@mac.com: that was later Aaron4281: chips is more 80's Aaron4281: i mean mtuters: bannecheck? justinallynhall: okay I'll merge them Aaron4281: C.H.I.P.S. mtuters: what about rockford files? ironman28@mac.com: yes Aaron4281: thats for old people mtuters: berreta? Aaron4281: obscure ironman28@mac.com: stop this nohaptimusprime: Matlock is waiting for a project like this mtuters: teehee Aaron4281: put it on youtube mtuters: where did he get the original footage? was this all form commercial vhs tapes, or beta or something, or was it all recorded off tv? Aaron4281: good question dread33sf: good question nohaptimusprime: aaron wins a coke dread33sf: erg mtuters: i once heard that archivists had a poor record of 70's tv cause the tapes started to decay before they realized that that happened to video Aaron4281: really? mtuters: so this may be the definitve archive of those shows mtuters: yah a real archivist told me that in montreal mtuters: she said that the early 80's tv culture was partially lost as a result mtuters: but then there is the whole distributed archive theory mtuters: of which this is an excellent example justinallynhall: commercials justinallynhall: i worry about missing out on awesome old commercials justinallynhall: some guy showed me footage of random commercials from 1982 the other day justinallynhall: it blew my mind Aaron4281: youtube has got you well covered mtuters: too bad youtubes compression is such crap tho mtuters: it's really almost unbearable... Aaron4281: yeah... it really takes its toll since the source tapes are all vhs tapes in bad shape already Aaron4281: thats a little extreme mtuters: the internet archive is a better candiate, but that's all legal stuff tho dread33sf: google has now set up a game to get users to tag photos competititvely. Originally done by CMU. mtuters: the "profound realization" was that it was all totally subject in the end, despite seeming so organizied asynch0404: yeah, i've been doing the google thing:http://images.google.com/imagelabeler/ mtuters: btw, "organizied" is another formative 70's reference... (anyone, anyone?) mtuters: organizized... sorry ironman28@mac.com: Taxi Driver mtuters: yeah! asynch0404: you need context for tagging - then you could have the flashbacks mtuters: when i was a kid, i used to think that show was actually called "Adis and Uff" ironman28@mac.com: televisual ekphraisis Aaron4281 has left the room. Aaron4281 has entered the room. EvidentManiac: "Profoundly flat, kind of dull" dread33sf: but compelling ironman28@mac.com: this work has an amazing combination of algorithmic, database-like precision and playful, visceral affect BableBlast: has anyone ever done database cinema based on camera motion tags? So that you end up roaming through different shows/movies with an almost continuous shot? lpaulmer: that "fast film" is like that http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td6UObEEaQQ lpaulmer: or, maybe shows a prototype of that concept i should say mtuters: in some sense, i think the notion of making database cinema based on camera motion tags is was supposed to be the idea that naimark proposed for his 2nd year class. am i right michael? michaelnaimark: yup justinallynhall: minatures and live cameras mtuters: well how a-propos then mtuters: la-di-da mtuters: this is amazingly cool... mtuters: would be even better with animtronics mtuters: like some liliputian cindy sherman piece... Aaron4281: animatronics would spoil it mtuters: i agree mtuters: is this sound "diogetic" mtuters: i mean... was it playing in the installation? mtuters: thanks jah justinallynhall: :-) justinallynhall: it's a sculpture and a film justinallynhall: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_%26_Kevin_McCoy justinallynhall: merged Aaron4281: did he say "scilm"? mtuters: scultpima mtuters: this could be done just as well for video game genres... that would be very 'hip' ironman28@mac.com: so the TV database projects break complete works into fragments; Suburban Horror creates complete narratives out of fractured parts mtuters: i wonder if they have bored expressions on their faces? mtuters: yup ironman28@mac.com: disrespecting Godard, Marc? mtuters: what did zizek say of godard? mtuters: i'm trying to find it mtuters: can't find it, but it was something like "convolution masquerading as an enigma"... nohaptimusprime: sounds like matthew barney EvidentManiac: falling into the completeness of the cinematic world... mtuters: i know steve, normally you'd be hanged for insinuating that in a film school asynch0404 has left the room. ironman28@mac.com: not this film school Aaron4281: hehe mtuters: ya... Aaron4281: here, you pledge allegiance to michael bay vaparedes has left the room. mtuters: zizek probably prefers bey too mtuters: thats the twa terminal? mtuters: sweet... dread33sf: Starting to remind me of the model in the movie " Music of Chance" : http://www.reelviews.net/movies/m/music_chance.html mtuters: i love how the av cables wrapped in metal coils look like dr. octopus arms justinallynhall: yeah mtuters: good question mtuters: hey it's interactive mtuters: exactly mtuters: 'interactive types will screw up installation' mtuters: is it usual these days for artists of the mccoy's caliber to use flickr for their portfolio, or are they being avant garde there too? Aaron4281: i think its unusual Aaron4281: not necessarily avant garde mtuters: avant garde just means ahead of the pack, i mean, literally... mtuters: is that freddy mercury? Aaron4281: i think its just practical for their purposes Aaron4281: with a hint of a "wink wink... we don't give a shit if our artwork is displayed alongside people vacation photos" mtuters: strange that there aren't comments below any of these photos that i can see... mtuters: mccoys action figures perhaps? Aaron4281: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mccoyspace/139632429/ Aaron4281: there is a comment on that one mtuters: Bill Walle on flickr says: "Can you explain your inspiration?" ThTruffleShuffle has entered the room. ironman28@mac.com: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mccoyspace/tags/algocinema mtuters: aaron is that named after the dinosaur or the artist? Aaron4281: hehe Aaron4281: its probably named after some rich dude who gave nyu a bunch of cash mtuters: was he purple or pink? Aaron4281: probably purple Aaron4281: thats nyu's color anthonyk323: http://switch.sjsu.edu/nextswitch/switch_engine/front/front.php?artc=186 justinallynhall: it's linked from the wikipedia entrey anthonyk323: oh good mtuters: http://www.bopsecrets.org/SI/debord.films/separation.htm marientina has left the room. mtuters: "you do what you can't convince the other person to do for you" justinallynhall: "you do what you can't convince the other people to do" justinallynhall: nice ironman28@mac.com: digital technology becomes an answer in search of a question mtuters: i'm both uplifted and depressed at the same time PeggyWeil has left the room. SupaDre2K2 has left the room. ThTruffleShuffle has left the room. mtuters: snap mtuters: julian is the mc over here... you know julian james brown is playing tonight at the bowl... he might need an intro too Aaron4281: hahaha mtuters: cool nohaptimusprime: fun mtuters: sowhat nohaptimusprime: nerdy mtuters: protonerds nohaptimusprime: laser cutter and 3D printer is like the shelltoe adidas and linoleum of new media mtuters: word michaelnaimark has left the room. ironman28@mac.com has left the room. Hokyman164 has left the room.